Session Start: Fri Feb 08 20:27:29 2002

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[20:35] <Jan> hi JP

[20:35] <Jean-Pierre> hello Jan how are u???

[20:35] <Jan> fine thanks. And you ?

[20:36] <Jean-Pierre> I am ok nice to meet you How is Netherland ? :-)

[20:36] *** Jean-Pierre sets mode: +o Jan

[20:36] <Jan> the south of netherlands is preparing for carnival

[20:36] <Jean-Pierre> cool:!!!!

[20:37] <Jean-Pierre> Do you have Giants too?

[20:37] <Jean-Pierre> like in Nort of France?

[20:37] <Jan> Giants?

[20:37] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[20:37] <Jan> inb the parade

[20:37] <Jean-Pierre> yes

[20:37] <Jean-Pierre> sorry for english :(

[20:37] <Jean-Pierre> in French we called them Gilles!

[20:38] <Jean-Pierre> in Dunkerque

[20:38] <Jean-Pierre> I will go

[20:38] <Jean-Pierre> there and have Woman dressing

[20:38] <Jean-Pierre> do you dress you in the Netherland Carnival?

[20:38] <Jean-Pierre> like animal or woman..

[20:38] <Jean-Pierre> or other?

[20:39] <Jan> yes, everyone who participates dresses in disguise

[20:39] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[20:39] <Jan> or funny clothes

[20:39] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[20:39] <Jean-Pierre> do u participate?

[20:39] <Jan> no, I take advantage of the silence at work by working undisturbed

[20:40] <Jean-Pierre> ok

[20:40] <Jean-Pierre> I will go and disguise:-)h

[20:40] <Jean-Pierre> in Dunkerque Carnival it's so fun

[20:41] <Jean-Pierre> whixh city lmake carnival in Holland do u have some Hp for this?

[20:41] <Jan> the names of towns that do carnival get changed

[20:41] <Jan> names are funny and in dialect

[20:41] <Jean-Pierre> really?

[20:41] <Jan> officially Prince Carnival gets the keys to the city from the mayor

[20:41] <Jean-Pierre> :)

[20:42] <Jean-Pierre> seems to be great .. and ppl sings?

[20:42] <Jan> all the time

[20:42] <Jean-Pierre> :)

[20:43] <Jean-Pierre> will be a great time

[20:43] <Jean-Pierre> do u have som Carnival Ball?

[20:43] <Jan> the north of the netherlands don't participate in general

[20:43] <Jean-Pierre> they are serious;)

[20:43] <Jan> and Protestant :)

[20:44] <Jean-Pierre> Please could u give me some URL about?

[20:44] <Jan> there are lots. I'm already searching for a nice one with photos

[20:44] <Jean-Pierre> I d like to see it

[20:44] <Jan> we have a start page online with lots of links

[20:45] <Jean-Pierre> I will show u some about Dunkerquue for exchange!

[20:45] <Jan> http://carnaval.pagina.nl/

[20:45] <Jan> but it is especially celebrated in the south east

[20:45] <Jan> Probably a page about the city Maastricht would be nice

[20:46] <Jean-Pierre> http://www.carnaval-dunkerque.com/

[20:46] <Jean-Pierre> so much Carnivals!

[20:46] <Jean-Pierre> woww

[20:47] <Jean-Pierre> we have only 2 in France

[20:47] <Jean-Pierre> in Nice and Dunkerque

[20:47] <Jan> ah!

[20:47] <Jan> no, here it is in every city, town and hamlet

[20:47] <Jan> :)

[20:48] <Jan> http://come.to/optochinmestreech

[20:48] <Jan> has photos of the parage in Maastricht of 2001

[20:48] <Jan> parage=parade

[20:51] <Jan> brb

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[20:52] <Jean-Pierre> hello !

[20:52] <Jean-Pierre> val:-)

[20:52] <Jean-Pierre> We spake about Carnivals!

[20:52] <Jean-Pierre> spoke even

[20:52] <valorie> hi, JP!

[20:53] <valorie> I missed you yesterday....

[20:53] <valorie> the map looks great!

[20:53] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[20:54] <Jean-Pierre> everybody will have one!

[20:54] <Jean-Pierre> next week

[20:54] <Jean-Pierre> even Jan!

[20:54] <Jean-Pierre> if he send me his cities!

[20:54] <Jean-Pierre> for genealogy

[20:54] <valorie> :-)

[20:54] <Jan> I don't do genealogy <gr>

[20:54] <Jean-Pierre> I can make netherland too;)

[20:55] <Jean-Pierre> Jan doesn't matter you are special guest!

[20:55] <Jean-Pierre> so we make all for you!

[20:55] <Jean-Pierre> now u are alsatian!

[20:55] <Jean-Pierre> ;)

[20:55] <Jan> so what map are you talking about?

[20:55] <Jean-Pierre> so we will make some map for the places

[20:55] <Jean-Pierre> of different ppl here and for ancestor places

[20:56] <Jean-Pierre> with mapping

[20:56] <Jean-Pierre> like in the topic

[20:56] <Jean-Pierre> it's a example

[20:56] <Jan> yes, I'm looking at that right now

[20:57] <Jean-Pierre> val : I ll make it for u this sunday or

[20:57] <Jean-Pierre> monday

[20:57] * Jan lives in Oosterhout, 10 kms nord du Breda, 100kms du sud d'Amsterdam

[20:57] <valorie> :-)

[20:58] <Jean-Pierre> Jan ok please you have to send a picture too then we will make ur page if ever u want;)

[20:58] <Jean-Pierre> are u agree VAl?

[20:58] <valorie> oh, yes

[20:58] <Jan> ?

[20:58] <valorie> Jan has been a great help

[20:58] <Jean-Pierre> yep

[20:58] <Jan> Thought you were planning a world map and list all the regular #alsace visitors location

[20:59] <Jean-Pierre> yes we will make it too

[20:59] <Jean-Pierre> but each member will have hisi

[20:59] <Jean-Pierre> but each member will have his

[20:59] <Jean-Pierre> own mapping

[20:59] <Jean-Pierre> for cities of ancestor

[20:59] <Jean-Pierre> and for alsace I will make some

[21:00] <Jean-Pierre> by piece of time

[21:00] <Jan> hehe, ok my ancestors are my Mom and Dad <gr> They come from Breda and Tilburg <gr>

[21:00] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[21:00] <Jean-Pierre> Jan you are recorded it will be made:-)

[21:00] <Jean-Pierre> The Chief is agree so no problem

[21:01] <Jean-Pierre> !

[21:01] <Jan> ok, I've no problem with it

[21:01] <valorie> LOL

[21:01] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[21:01] <Jan> It's already listed somewhere where I live :)

[21:01] <valorie> Jan, have you looked at JP's site?

[21:01] <Jean-Pierre> at OUR Site!

[21:01] <valorie> He has the logs of each chat stored there

[21:01] <Jan> don't think so

[21:01] <Jean-Pierre> not all I have some late!

[21:02] <valorie> and has made mini-pages for each regular contributor

[21:02] <Jan> not recently anyway

[21:02] <valorie> with pictures, if they wish, and their queries, links to their homepages, etc.

[21:02] <Jan> ah right

[21:02] <Jean-Pierre> Val I have found some for u

[21:02] <Jean-Pierre> wait

[21:03] <valorie> it's quite useful for a new person, I think

[21:04] <Jean-Pierre> I found some Martzolf in Küntzenhous

[21:04] <Jan> oops. forgot I had something in the oven

[21:04] <Jan> brb

[21:04] <Jean-Pierre> and Löwenstein

[21:05] <Jan> back

[21:05] <Jean-Pierre> Anna Emilia Löwenstein

[21:05] <Jean-Pierre> date of D

[21:05] <Jan> well, I'll cut of the black bits <gr>

[21:05] <Jean-Pierre> + 29/5/1649

[21:05] <Jean-Pierre> in Lapetite Pierre

[21:05] <Jean-Pierre> married with Burgel xx

[21:08] <Jean-Pierre> did u have this löwenstein?

[21:08] <valorie> will you email that to me, JP? I'll send it on to my Baysinger list

[21:08] <valorie> and let them chew on it

[21:08] <valorie> :-)

[21:08] <Jean-Pierre> CVal I ll e-mail the log!

[21:08] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[21:08] <valorie> I only have what's on that message board

[21:09] <valorie> that might drag some of my Baysinger researchers over here :-)

[21:09] <Jean-Pierre> Val I have a big map project

[21:09] <Jean-Pierre> but I have to make very quick for it!

[21:09] <Jean-Pierre> because I have only a trial version of the soft!

[21:09] <valorie> oic

[21:09] <Jean-Pierre> so We have to put all ideas togesther

[21:10] <Jean-Pierre> concerning different kind of map

[21:10] <Jean-Pierre> I will make svcan of historicals

[21:10] <Jean-Pierre> from my favourite book on Alsace history

[21:11] <Jean-Pierre> do u wih I make some now then upload it?

[21:11] <Jean-Pierre> during I talk to u?

[21:11] <Jean-Pierre> so it could prepare the reunion

[21:11] <valorie> sure, since people haven't shown up yet.

[21:11] <Jean-Pierre> they are very interesting

[21:12] <Jean-Pierre> ok

[21:12] <Jean-Pierre> same time I have to eat!ve to

[21:12] <Jean-Pierre> I found the book for merantha!

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[21:13] <valorie> yes, eat before they all arrive....

[21:13] <Jean-Pierre> hello jojo!!!!

[21:13] <Jan> hello jojo57

[21:13] <valorie> hi, jojo

[21:13] <jojo57> salut tout le monde

[21:13] <Jean-Pierre> Comment vas tu???

[21:13] <jojo57> pas mal c'est les vacances pour 15 jours

[21:13] <jojo57> demain c'est le ski

[21:13] <Jean-Pierre> :-) tu vas pouvoir faire des recherches;)

[21:14] <Jean-Pierre> tu pars ou??

[21:14] <Jean-Pierre> dans les alpes?

[21:14] <jojo57> Jura et Doubs

[21:14] <jojo57> Les rousses et chapelle des bois

[21:14] <Jean-Pierre> cool

[21:14] <Jean-Pierre> j'espere taura de la neige

[21:14] <jojo57> nous on est sportif

[21:14] <Jean-Pierre> :-) pas comme moi!

[21:14] <jojo57> t'a fait quoi

[21:14] <Jean-Pierre> ben ski alpin et fond

[21:14] <Jan> ok, I've got to edit some BDM information.

[21:15] *** Jan is now known as Jan-busy

[21:15] <Jean-Pierre> :)

[21:15] <Jean-Pierre> t'a recu ma ecard de Annecy?

[21:15] <jojo57> oui

[21:15] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[21:15] <jojo57> c'était sympa

[21:15] <Jean-Pierre> j'ai meme faillui voir Jacques deguise

[21:15] <Jean-Pierre> !

[21:15] <jojo57> je ne me suis pas connecté ces derniers temps

[21:16] <jojo57> quel Jacques

[21:16] <Jean-Pierre> bon je mange ma pizza

[21:16] <jojo57> le roi de la tête de veau

[21:16] <Jean-Pierre> jojo57 t'a recu ma

[21:16] <Jean-Pierre> log du 25?

[21:16] <Jean-Pierre> ou il yavait Jacques notre am suisse

[21:16] <jojo57> je sais plus

[21:16] <jojo57> oui

[21:16] <Jean-Pierre> qi a reusii a se connecter !

[21:17] <jojo57> mais j'étais pas la le soir là

[21:17] <Jean-Pierre> maintenant meme les suisse viennent!

[21:17] <Jean-Pierre> il va falloir trouver des alsaciens lol

[21:17] <Jean-Pierre> ;)

[21:17] <jojo57> moi 75%

[21:17] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[21:17] <Jean-Pierre> soit!

[21:17] <Jean-Pierre> bon j'ai pense a toi

[21:17] <jojo57> quoi de neuf?

[21:17] <Jean-Pierre> connais tu Louis Christmann

[21:18] <jojo57> c'est mon gp

[21:18] <Jean-Pierre> ok oui c'ets vrai j'aurais du verifier sur ton arbre

[21:18] <jojo57> ou moi si tu enlève mon premier prénom

[21:18] <Jean-Pierre> C'ets lui qui a fondé les entreprise Christmann?

[21:18] <jojo57> mais des Louis il doit y en avoir des valises

[21:19] <Jean-Pierre> de Monswiller

[21:19] <jojo57> Quelle entreprise ??

[21:19] <Jean-Pierre> ben c'etait les concurent de Goldenberg

[21:19] <jojo57> non celui la je ne le connais pas

[21:19] <Jean-Pierre> tu le veux?

[21:19] <jojo57> j'ai toute une biographie de lui

[21:19] <Jean-Pierre> je te previens j'ai pas grand chose

[21:19] <Jean-Pierre> ok

[21:20] <jojo57> dans la revue

[21:20] <Jean-Pierre> ben si t'a tout alors

[21:20] <Jean-Pierre> oui c'ets ca

[21:20] <Jean-Pierre> ok

[21:20] <jojo57> publiée par SHAS

[21:20] <Jean-Pierre> oui

[21:20] <Jean-Pierre> bon bon

[21:20] <jojo57> société d'histoire et d'achéologie de Saverne

[21:20] <Jean-Pierre> je croyais te faire plaisir:)

[21:20] <Jean-Pierre> ;)

[21:20] <jojo57> t'en trouvera d'autres

[21:21] <Jean-Pierre> oui je vais chercher

[21:21] <Jean-Pierre> sinon

[21:21] <Jean-Pierre> je vais faire un truc en carto$

[21:21] <Jean-Pierre> pour toi

[21:21] <Jean-Pierre> d'apres tes lieux

[21:21] <jojo57> cherche mon Philippe LEININGER aux US

[21:21] <Jean-Pierre> vben ca on attend

[21:21] <Jean-Pierre> et suzan va chercher

[21:21] <Jean-Pierre> aussi elle va a WAsh dc

[21:21] <Jean-Pierre> la semaine prochaine

[21:21] <jojo57> c'est bon

[21:22] <Jean-Pierre> bon je mange :-)

[21:22] *** Jean-Pierre is now known as Jpizza

[21:22] <Jpizza> :)

[21:22] <jojo57> devant ton écran

[21:22] <jojo57> moi je vais faire mes valises

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[21:23] *** Jan-busy sets mode: +o merantha

[21:23] <valorie> him Merantha!

[21:23] <jojo57> bonjour Merantha

[21:23] <valorie> i mean hi, of course

[21:23] <merantha> Hi everyone!

[21:23] <valorie> lol

[21:23] <valorie> JP is eating right now

[21:23] <valorie> but he has news for you

[21:23] <Jpizza> hello merantha!

[21:23] <jojo57> on parle pas la bouche pleine

[21:23] <merantha> Hi JP

[21:23] *** Jan-busy sets mode: +oo jojo57 valorie

[21:23] <Jpizza> slurp!

[21:24] <Jpizza> merantha

[21:24] <Jpizza> it will be ok for what u know;)

[21:25] <merantha> I'm here JP

[21:26] <jojo57> JP mon fils risque de trouver un placement sur Strasbourg

[21:26] <Jpizza> sorry merantha I eat some:) I am not very polite :(

[21:26] <Jpizza> jojo57 c'est super ca!

[21:26] <jojo57> dans les prochain temps

[21:27] <jojo57> si cela devait se concrétiser

[21:27] <jojo57> il faudra qu'on se voie

[21:27] <jojo57> avant son départ

[21:27] <jojo57> je te ferais signe

[21:27] <Jpizza> ben on ira a strasbourg aussi:)

[21:27] <jojo57> ça aussi en plus

[21:28] <Jpizza> va falloir que j'y aille un de ces 4

[21:28] <jojo57> je t'avais promis une invitation

[21:28] <jojo57> à Hagondange

[21:28] <Jpizza> c'ets gentil!

[21:28] <Jpizza> j'accepte

[21:28] <jojo57> ok

[21:28] <jojo57> on fera un site!!

[21:28] <Jpizza> j'en profiterai pour aller voir des Daeschler

[21:28] <jojo57> sans moi

[21:28] <Jpizza> jojo57 je ferais ton site avant

[21:28] <jojo57> !!!

[21:29] <Jpizza> commeca ca nous laissera le temps de manger:)

[21:29] <jojo57> ah ça oui

[21:29] <jojo57> tu aimes les pommes de terre

[21:29] <Jpizza> j'imagine que chez les Christmann on aime bien manger!

[21:29] <jojo57> ça arrive assez souvent

[21:29] <Jpizza> avec fromage :)

[21:31] <Jpizza> Bernard VOGLER

[21:31] <jojo57> et même mieux

[21:32] <Jpizza> L'almanach de l'Alsace

[21:32] <Jpizza> edition Larousse

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[21:33] <Jpizza> Bonsoir Jacques!

[21:33] <valorie> get two Frenchmen together, and the conversation will go to food

[21:33] *** Jpizza sets mode: +o Jacques

[21:33] <valorie> and it sounds delicious!!!!

[21:34] <valorie> hi, Jacques

[21:34] <Jacques> Bonsoir Good Evening, Hallo Everyone!

[21:34] <Jpizza> Comment vas tu?

[21:34] <merantha> Hi Jacques.

[21:34] <Jacques> Did someone say food?

[21:34] <Jpizza> yep :-)

[21:34] <valorie> LOL

[21:34] <merantha> I would like some Alsatian recepies.

[21:34] <valorie> this is the Alsace Food Channel

[21:34] *** Jpizza is now known as JPflamkuc

[21:34] <Jacques> Ecoutes ca va plus au moins...

[21:34] <JPflamkuc> merantha I can send u some french

[21:35] <JPflamkuc> web

[21:35] <JPflamkuc> Des soucis?

[21:35] <JPflamkuc> :-(

[21:35] <Jacques> Non simplement un peu d'indigestion!

[21:39] <JPflamkuc> Jacques on s'est manqué de peu :-)

[21:40] <Jacques> Si seulement tu m'avais envoyé un courrier avant de venir, je serai venu skiier avec toi.

[21:40] <merantha> Yes, JP?

[21:40] <JPflamkuc> oui je suis vraiment bete :(

[21:40] <Jacques> Toi, bête?

[21:40] <JPflamkuc> merantha I have your book

[21:40] <JPflamkuc> on my knees

[21:40] <JPflamkuc> Tell me where I have to send it ;)I

[21:41] <Jacques> JP... what are you doing with a book on your knees? Aren't books to read with the eyes?

[21:41] <merantha> You got It???

[21:41] <JPflamkuc> yep!

[21:41] <JPflamkuc> the last one!

[21:41] <JPflamkuc> in the world

[21:41] <merantha> Wonderful!

[21:41] <JPflamkuc> Jacque yes :)

[21:41] <JPflamkuc> It's a genealogy book!

[21:41] <JPflamkuc> hehe

[21:41] <Jacques> JP: SMILE.

[21:41] <JPflamkuc> :-)

[21:42] <Jacques> Do any of you know J P Marchand?

[21:42] <merantha> Isn't genealogy what it's all about?

[21:42] <JPflamkuc> Jacques maintenant que tu es venu 2 fois t as le droit a ta minipage

[21:42] <JPflamkuc> sur notre site

[[21:42] <Jacques> Tu m'expliques stp?

[21:42] <JPflamkuc> Jacques who is JP Marchand?

[21:43] <JPflamkuc> JAcque sur notre site

[21:43] <JPflamkuc> www.daeschler.com/alsachat

[21:43] <Jacques> On the Alsace-Lorraine List this last week, I answered someone who was asking about family across the Rhine...

[21:44] <Jacques> okay et?

[21:45] <JPflamkuc> Jacques tell us

[21:45] <JPflamkuc> about this person

[21:46] <JPflamkuc> Please

[21:46] <Jacques> I was explaining that many Alsatians had cousins and Family in Germany as well as inside France....

[21:46] <Jacques> that there were Alsatians of many different persuasions...religious and pro-German and pro-French.....in the history

[21:47] <Jacques> of Alsace and of the various occupations.....

[21:47] <Jacques> I received a diatribe ( what is that in English????) from a seemingly pro-French Alsatien.....

[21:47] <valorie> Jacques, it's very nice to have you on the list

[21:48] *** Jan-busy is now known as Jan

[21:48] <valorie> diatribe works for us, too

[21:48] <valorie> lol

[21:48] <Jacques> okay.

[21:48] <Jan> back on a break

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[21:48] *** Jan sets mode: +o sdrescher

[21:48] <valorie> Suzan!

[21:48] <sdrescher> hello everyone

[21:48] <merantha> Hi Suzan.

[21:48] <Jacques> Hello-

[21:48] <Jacques> Suzan...yes...the "z"....

[21:49] <sdrescher> yes, Jacques a z

[21:49] <Jacques> tu n'as aucun acte????????

[21:49] <Jacques> Suzan... good to see you...on the chat...

[21:49] <sdrescher> thank you and you too

[21:50] <Jacques> What I am trying to say Jp is simply that in the year 2002, some of us can not get it through our heads that history is past....

[21:50] <JPflamkuc> hello suzannnn

[21:50] <Jacques> wthout resorting to ultra nationalistic feelings....

[21:50] <valorie> that's a problem all over the world, I think

[21:50] <valorie> here in the US, too

[21:50] <sdrescher> Hi JP

[21:50] <Jacques> Bingo, yes I believe you re correct.

[21:50] <valorie> some people are still fighting our Civil War

[21:51] <sdrescher> what's the topic??

[21:52] <Jacques> I was finally able to reach someone in Belize who may be able to give me some new information on Alsatians living there.

[21:52] *** JPflamkuc is now known as Jean-Pierre

[21:53] <Jean-Pierre> sorry I just was in phone with some friends

[21:53] <sdrescher> Belize??

[21:53] <Jacques> JP, you are excused. LAUGHING.

[21:53] <Jean-Pierre> ;)

[21:53] <Jacques> Belize,yes, old "British Hondurus".

[21:53] <Jean-Pierre> Jacques concerning ultra nationalist feeling

[21:53] <sdrescher> yes i know where it is

[21:53] <Jean-Pierre> we always have to be careful

[21:53] <Jacques> Yes?

[21:53] <Jean-Pierre> alsatians are very extremist

[21:54] <Jean-Pierre> in thouthts

[[21:54] <Jean-Pierre> even genealogy must be careful

[21:54] <Jacques> You think that? You mean like black and white?

[21:54] <Jean-Pierre> because it concens origins

[21:54] <Jean-Pierre> concerns

[21:55] <Jean-Pierre> Il ya pas mal de chose extremes en Alsace :) il ya meme des extremistes du pain d'épices!

[21:55] <Jean-Pierre> attention a l'indigestion apres!

[21:55] <Jacques> The people who I was researching used to live in Sainte Marie aux Mines....

[21:56] <Jacques> in Belize.

[21:56] <Jean-Pierre> ???

[21:56] <Jean-Pierre> vraiment

[21:56] <Jacques> excuse me, now live in Belize.

[21:56] <Jacques> Oui, vraiment.

[21:56] <Jean-Pierre> il ya une Sainte Marie aux Mines la bas?

[21:56] <merantha> I had a co-worker who was a German citizen,

[21:56] <merantha> who claimed it was very hard to get a job in the U.S.

[21:56] <Jacques> les noms la-bas sont en Anglais ou en espagnol...

[21:57] <Jean-Pierre> c'est passionnant

[21:57] <merantha> because of her nationality.

[21:57] <Jean-Pierre> attend je regarde sur une carte

[21:58] <Jacques> Merantha...does she cite any reason she thinks she is denied a job?

[21:58] <merantha> They said it was because she was a natzi!! She told them she

[21:58] <merantha> was only a small child and had noting to do with the war!

[21:59] <Jacques> Where did this occur?

[21:59] <merantha> In Colorado.

[21:59] <sdrescher> when merantha?

[21:59] <Jacques> You mean that this was a recent occurence?

[22:00] <merantha> Yes, it was recent. She has only been in U.S. a few years.

[22:01] <Jacques> Very difficult to evualate a claim like that.

[22:01] <merantha> I don't think she just had a chip on her shoulder.

[22:02] <merantha> She worked for U.S. military in Germany.

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[22:02] <merantha> Some parts of the U.S. are still very anti.

[22:02] <Jan> found a reference in which both Belize and St. Marie aux Mines appear: in publication of January 1995 from the Mennonite Family History

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[22:04] <merantha> Or I should say some small groups in U.S. are anti anything.

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[22:04] <Jean-Pierre> <Jan> found a reference in which both Belize and St. Marie aux Mines appear: in publication of January 1995 from the Mennonite Family History

[22:04] <Jan> Mennonite Families in Belize (Koop)

[22:04] <Jan> Anabaptists Buried in Fortelbach (Fertrupt) Near Ste. Marie-aux-Mines, Alsace (1737-1761) (Miller)

[22:04] <Jacques> Sorry Everyone....I clicked by mistake a disconnection while perusing MIRC.....

[22:04] <Jan> http://www.masthof.com/pages/backissues4.html

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[22:10] <Jacques> Jp what else did you find about Belize?

[22:10] <Jean-Pierre> Jan found

[22:10] <Jean-Pierre> some

[22:11] <merantha> The folks on the GERMAN-ALSACE-L list said hello to the folks in this chat when I mentioned it to the list.

[22:12] <Jean-Pierre> http://www.maps.com/cgi-bin/search/hyperseek.cgi?search=CAT&Category=North+America:Central+America:Belize

[22:12] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[22:12] <Jean-Pierre> it could help;)=

[22:12] <Jacques> Merci.

[22:13] <sdrescher> Jacques, i'm going to

[22:13] <Jean-Pierre> Pas de quoi :) Jacques le theme aujourd'hui c'ets les cartes geographiques

[22:13] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[22:13] <sdrescher> wwash dc next week

[22:14] <sdrescher> for a genealogist workshop

[22:14] <sdrescher> Wash DC

[22:14] <Jacques> You are going to DC with NGS or FGS?

[22:14] <sdrescher> DAR

[22:14] <Jacques> WOW. DAR????????????

[22:14] <sdrescher> I'm the cahirman

[22:15] <sdrescher> chairman

[22:15] <sdrescher> of our chapter's

[22:15] <Jacques> I am honoured.

[22:15] <sdrescher> lineage research

[22:15] <sdrescher> committee

[22:15] <merantha> You ar the chairman of the DAR? WOW!

[22:15] <sdrescher> it should be great, i'm excited and honored also

[22:15] <Jacques> May I ask a question about the Daughter of the American Revolution?

[22:16] <sdrescher> sure

[22:16] <Jacques> When I was first introduced to American genealogy research, I was told that the the DAR was only...

[22:17] <Jacques> interested in the American Anglo-Saxon Colonial period. Is that still true?

[22:17] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[22:17] <sdrescher> yes, basically

[22:17] <sdrescher> members are direct line to a Patriot

[22:18] <Jacques> And a Patriot is?

[22:18] <Jacques> a missile?

[22:18] <Jacques> SMILE.

[22:18] <sdrescher> one who fought or

[22:18] <sdrescher> LOL

[22:18] <Jacques> the Revolutionary War?

[22:18] <sdrescher> assisted in our American Revolution

[22:18] <sdrescher> yes

[22:18] <Jacques> Okay thank you.

[22:19] <sdrescher> they are now VERY

[22:19] <sdrescher> strict about

[22:19] <sdrescher> documentation

[22:19] <sdrescher> Have you been to their library

[22:19] <Jacques> I have heard of ladies who actually did mean things to enter into the association.

[22:20] <Jacques> No, I have not had the pleasure.

[22:20] <sdrescher> whay mean things??

[22:20] <merantha> Do you have to be a member to use their library?

[22:20] <sdrescher> what things

[22:20] <sdrescher> no merantha

[22:20] <Jacques> Well, they made up genealogy tries ( fake ones of course) and fake documentation to enter DAR.

[22:21] <sdrescher> just pay a $5 fee

[22:21] <Jacques> TREES.....

[22:21] <sdrescher> yes Jacques

[22:21] <sdrescher> now anyone with a # 3000

[22:21] <Jacques> How far back to their records go?

[22:21] <sdrescher> or earlier

[22:22] <sdrescher> is not considered accurate

[22:22] <sdrescher> their catalog is online dar.org

[22:23] <Jacques> Suzanne...thank you... I have noted it and will look at their site later.

[22:23] <sdrescher> if u ever need anything, let me know

[22:23] <Jean-Pierre> Our suzan is wonderful :)

[22:23] <Jacques> I was actually searching for something, yes out of Massachusetts....

[22:23] <sdrescher> what??

[22:23] <merantha> Ther is a DAR monument to my ancestor, Jacob Bigler, in the Enterprise West Virginia IOOF cemetery

[22:24] <sdrescher> yes merantha several of my Patriot ancestors also

[22:24] <Jean-Pierre> merantha could u connect the Bigler I found at the Library this afternoon?

[22:24] <Jean-Pierre> Boegler

[22:25] <merantha> What Boegler?

[22:25] <Jean-Pierre> Jean-Pierre> Hans Georg Boegler

[22:25] <Jean-Pierre> <Jean-Pierre> Marx Boegler

[22:25] <Jean-Pierre> <Jean-Pierre> Hans Michel Boegler

[22:25] <Jean-Pierre> <Jean-Pierre> Hunspach

[22:25] <Jean-Pierre> <Jean-Pierre> 1703 1705 1707

[22:25] <merantha> Yes!!! Marx is my ggggggg grandfather!!

[22:26] <merantha> How did you find him?

[22:26] <Jean-Pierre> on the CGA books

[22:27] <Jean-Pierre> But I didn't check it in ur family tree

[22:27] <merantha> Tell me more! I have the film for Hunspach on indefinite loan at my local FHC

[22:27] <sdrescher> i can do lookups for anyone from the DAR Patriot Index

[22:27] <Jean-Pierre> because I haven't uit anymore!

[22:27] <Jacques> Suzanne....I am looking for A Henry Luce out of Martha's Vineyard who supposedly came from England and from Southwestern France before.

[22:27] <Jacques> But Suzanne....this is Alsace genealogy.....

[22:28] <sdrescher> was he in the Revoutionary War?

[22:28] <Jean-Pierre> Merantha I was in the CGA library Cercle Genealogique d'Alsace wher I bought the book for ya

[22:28] <Jean-Pierre> and I found your surnae on the systematic recording database

[22:28] <Jean-Pierre> of the association

[22:28] <Jean-Pierre> Probably you have all of that also

[22:29] <merantha> How would I get more information? I have his parents marriage record from Alsace

[22:29] <Jean-Pierre> I have some

[22:29] <Jean-Pierre> in Brunstadt

[22:29] <Jean-Pierre> and Altestadt

[22:29] <merantha> Also his grandfathers name - Henrich Buechler, but no place of origin for him.

[22:30] <Jean-Pierre> I didn't found Buechler

[22:30] <Jean-Pierre> but found

[22:30] <Jean-Pierre> Oyyhilia Boeglerin

[22:30] <Jean-Pierre> Ottilia

[22:30] <Jean-Pierre> Otttilia

[22:31] <merantha> How did you happen to be looking at Boegler?

[22:31] <Jean-Pierre> married Rorbach ( Uldaricus)

[22:31] <Jacques> Now Jp this is the way to transorm names if they were not already badly written........

[22:31] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[22:31] <Jacques> transform

[22:31] <Jean-Pierre> yep

[22:31] <Jean-Pierre> You are right I have to be strictes :(

[22:31] <Jean-Pierre> ;)

[22:32] <Jean-Pierre> married Rorbach ( Uldaricus)

[22:32] <Jacques> What I thought was a typographical error ended by being a scribe's error!

[22:32] <Jean-Pierre> 24/08/1760 in Altestadt

[22:32] <Jean-Pierre> 24/08/1760 in Altenstadt

[22:32] <Jean-Pierre> 67094

[22:33] <merantha> The names get transformed badly enough, just by phonetics

[22:33] <Jacques> That could be considered an understatement actually. SMILE.

[22:33] <Jean-Pierre> Merantha I will scan it for you then send to you

[22:33] <Jean-Pierre> it would be better

[22:33] <Jean-Pierre> ok?

[22:34] <Jean-Pierre> so u can check if u have them

[22:34] <Jean-Pierre> and it won't be with any error

[22:34] <Jean-Pierre> it's in the BMD database of CGA

[22:35] <Jean-Pierre> www.alsace-genealogie.com

[22:36] <Jean-Pierre> Advertising for my association :-)

[22:36] <Jean-Pierre> lol

[22:36] <Jean-Pierre> Jacques are u ion CGA?

[22:36] <Jean-Pierre> Jacques are u in CGA?

[22:36] <Jacques> Jp, No.

[22:36] <Jean-Pierre> Cercles Genealogique d'Alsace

[22:36] <Jean-Pierre> ok

[22:37] <Jean-Pierre> Je suis inscrit depuis 1 an

[22:37] <Jean-Pierre> la ca va etre ma deuxieme annee

[22:37] <merantha> Thanks JP, I would appreciate it. Where are Brunstadt and Altestadt from Hunspach?

[22:37] <Jacques> I suppose that we should support CGA...

[22:37] <Jean-Pierre> Jacques no...

[22:37] <Jean-Pierre> :)

[22:37] <Jacques> Et que sont les avantages?

[22:37] <Jean-Pierre> You have to support us:-)

[22:38] <Jean-Pierre> Jacques il y a un bulletin

[22:38] <Jean-Pierre> avec les listes eclair

[22:38] <Jacques> Oui je connais le bulletin....

[22:38] <Jean-Pierre> possibilite de consulter les bases

[22:38] <Jean-Pierre> a la bibliotheque

[22:38] <Jacques> mais est-il possible de faire des consultations par ordinateur?

[22:38] <Jean-Pierre> enfin a Paris moi je suis de la section Paris

[22:39] <Jean-Pierre> Jacques oui mais sur place

[22:39] <Jacques> je suis sur qu'il y'a une section de Bale.

[22:39] <Jean-Pierre> je vais verifier c'ets possible

[22:39] <Jean-Pierre> wait :)

[22:39] <Jacques> ok

[22:40] <Jean-Pierre> mais ce chat n'est pas un chat de propagande;)

[22:40] <Jean-Pierre> pour le CGA :)

[22:40] <Jean-Pierre> j'ai deja assez de mal a le faire admettre lol

[22:40] <Jacques> Tu sais, je connais la CGA depuis 10 ans....

[22:41] <Jean-Pierre> ah... et ??

[22:41] <Jean-Pierre> ???

[22:41] <Jean-Pierre> Quen penses tu?

[22:41] <Jacques> et apres le départ de Christian aux Archives A Strasbourg....j'ai été un peu refroidi.

[22:42] <Jean-Pierre> :-(

[22:42] <Jacques> Cependant apart les Bretons, les Alsaciens sont tres actifs.

[22:43] <Jean-Pierre> et les Lorrains alors!

[22:43] <Jean-Pierre> notre jojo est super!

[22:43] <Jacques> Our theme tonight was maps, yes?

[22:43] <Jean-Pierre> yes

[22:43] <Jean-Pierre> :)

[22:43] <Jacques> Should we give it a try?

[22:44] <Jacques> Have any of you seen the German maps that were made before WW II of Alsace?

[22:44] <Jean-Pierre> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jean-pierre.daeschler/alsachat/alain/daeschler.htm

[22:44] <sdrescher> i have Thodes gazateer

[22:44] <Jean-Pierre> Jacques nous allons creer un atelier

[22:44] <Jean-Pierre> cartographie

[22:45] <Jean-Pierre> avec toutes les cartes d'alsaces de differentes epoques

[22:45] <Jean-Pierre> que nous sisposons

[22:45] <Jean-Pierre> se cette facon on aura une meilleurs vision de l'evolution

[22:45] <Jean-Pierre> de la region

[22:45] <Jacques> I found the Atlas called Elsass-Lothringischer Atlas..

[22:45] <Jean-Pierre> c'ets indispensable

[22:46] <Jean-Pierre> Jacque you have it?

[22:46] <Jacques> which was in Frankfurt am Main in 1931,

[22:46] <Jean-Pierre> 1931

[22:46] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[22:46] <Jacques> Yes, My Friend....

[22:46] <Jean-Pierre> cool

[22:46] <Jean-Pierre> !

[22:46] <Jacques> And it is absolutely wonderful... down to the nearest cow in the tinest village of Alsace or Lorraine!

[22:47] <Jacques> It is so detailed....you must give it to the Germans...they are scrupulous.

[22:47] <Jean-Pierre> seems interesting do u have old name and new name index?

[22:47] <Jean-Pierre> too?

[22:48] <Jean-Pierre> german/french and so on

[22:48] <Jacques> Yes, and you know that I bought the two volumes separately?

[22:48] <Jacques> aha

[22:48] <Jean-Pierre> really?? where?

[22:48] <Jean-Pierre> where did u find it?

[22:48] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[22:48] <Jacques> Professional secret.

[22:48] <Jacques> LAUGHING.

[22:48] <Jean-Pierre> ok

[22:48] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[22:48] <Jean-Pierre> how much? ;)

[22:49] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[22:49] <sdrescher> who put them out, Jacques?

[22:49] <Jacques> You would not believe where I found it...the most unlikely place in the World....considering it was found in Alsace.

[22:49] <Jean-Pierre> in Strasbourg?

[22:49] <Jacques> WOLFRAM and GLEY with the Selbstverlag des Elsass-Lothringen Instituts.

[22:50] <Jacques> YES JP!

[22:50] <Jacques> And you know where in Strasbourg?

[22:50] <Jacques> Across from the Cathedral!!!!!!!!!!

[22:50] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[22:50] <Jacques> LAUGHING....a chance, and a miracle!

[22:50] <Jean-Pierre> lot of good Bookshop there :)

[22:50] <Jean-Pierre> remember suzan ;)

[22:50] <sdrescher> fate

[22:51] <Jean-Pierre> lucky guy!

[22:51] <sdrescher> yes i certainl remember

[22:51] <Jacques> I just kept going back and the bookdealers were sorry to sell me one volume without the other...

[22:51] <Jacques> so I got a good price for the two sets.

[22:51] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

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[22:52] <Jean-Pierre> probably you could make some scan for our map workgroup?

[22:52] <Jean-Pierre> I have map of historical Alsace from book by Lucien sittler

[22:53] <Jacques> I could have them made,,,but the problem is that they are in colour and the pages are huge.

[22:53] <Jean-Pierre> and old map of the Atlas of old germany 1883

[22:53] <Jacques> I am impressed.

[22:53] <Jean-Pierre> of Ravenstein

[22:54] <valorie> perhaps the compressed image could be placed on a webpage

[22:54] <Jacques> We could trade copies? What do you think?

[22:54] <valorie> and the full map image available for download?

[22:54] <Jean-Pierre> http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/ravenstein/Large/Map7NW.pdf

[22:54] <Jean-Pierre> but pdf is needed

[22:55] <Jacques> There are 45 pages of this Atlas and all is in German.

[22:55] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[22:55] <Jacques> That is the Atlas and does not include the index....

[22:55] <Jean-Pierre> Idon't know if we can scan it all

[22:56] <Jean-Pierre> :_)

[22:56] <Jean-Pierre> 1931

[22:56] <Jean-Pierre> no

[22:56] <Jean-Pierre> Copyright more

[22:56] <valorie> incredibly cool map!

[22:58] <Jean-Pierre> Jacques tu pourrais faire quelmques scan des alentour de Saverne?

[22:58] <Jean-Pierre> Hunspach

[22:58] <Jean-Pierre> Rohrbach

[22:58] <Jean-Pierre> Ernolsheim sur Bruche

[22:59] <Jean-Pierre> Oberbetschdorf... Strasbourg

[22:59] <Jean-Pierre> Dannemarie:-)

[22:59] <Jacques> Cela a peu etre un prix, JP....tu me dis ce que c'est cette mini page...par exemple.

[22:59] <Jean-Pierre> et bien voila

[22:59] <Jean-Pierre> cher Jacque :)

[22:59] <Jean-Pierre> quand tu te met sur notre site

[22:59] <Jacques> Saverne oui...il y a aussi la Lorraine...inclus la dedans, tu sais?

[22:59] <Jean-Pierre> www.daeschler;com/alsachat

[22:59] <Jean-Pierre> www.daeschler.com/alsachat

[23:00] <Jacques> Oui Mon Ami JP.....

[23:00] <Jean-Pierre> tu as la liste des membres

[23:00] <Jean-Pierre> a droite

[23:00] <Jean-Pierre> quand tu clique sur le nom d'un membre tu peux voir la minipage

[23:00] <Jean-Pierre> avec un bref descriptif

[23:00] <Jean-Pierre> l'adresse e-mail

[23:00] <Jean-Pierre> la photo

[23:01] <Jean-Pierre> les patronymes recherche et les lieux

[23:01] <Jean-Pierre> voila la minipage c'est ca :-)

[23:01] <Jean-Pierre> ca permet aux membres de se connaitre mieux

[23:01] <Jean-Pierre> entre euc

[23:01] <Jean-Pierre> ou de se referrer

[23:01] <Jean-Pierre> aux differentes liste de noms

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[23:01] <Jean-Pierre> en cas d'oubli

[23:01] <Jean-Pierre> Dede!!!

[23:02] <Mondschein> hallo zusammen :-)

[23:02] <Jean-Pierre> Jacques : j'ai donc besoin : d'une photo , de tes patronymes en alsace

[23:02] <Jean-Pierre> des lieux

[23:02] <sdrescher> Hey Big Daddy!

[23:02] <Jean-Pierre> et d'un petit texte de presentation

[23:02] <Mondschein> Hi Suzan :-)

[23:03] <Jacques> Hallo Déde..wie geht's?

[23:03] <Jean-Pierre> sou tu peux parler de toi de tes projets en genealogie et aussi faire de la pub :)

[23:03] <Jacques> Aha, de la pub...

[23:03] <Jean-Pierre> pour le CGR :-)

[23:03] <Mondschein> Ja Danke Jacques und Dir ?

[23:03] <Jacques> Nicht schlecht...aber keine schnee

[23:03] <Jean-Pierre> dont tu es deja partenaire:)

[23:04] <Jean-Pierre> au fait Jacques as tu recu ma carte?

[23:04] <Jacques> fur schifahre.

[23:04] <Mondschein> brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[23:04] <Jean-Pierre> Jackes er magst nicht Schnee:-)

[23:04] <Jean-Pierre> Jacques

[23:04] <Jacques> JP.... je l'ai recu ce jour et je t'en remercie.

[23:04] <Jean-Pierre> :)

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[23:05] <Jean-Pierre> une semaine apres c'est pas rapide!

[23:05] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[23:05] <Jean-Pierre> pourtant c'etait pas tres loin

[23:05] <Jacques> Cela doit être la douane suisse....

[23:05] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[23:05] <Jean-Pierre> ou alors la douane francaise!

[23:05] <Jacques> Oui, mais tu sais....cela doit aller d'abord a Lyon et ensuite cela reviens....

[23:05] <Jacques> d'abord aller à Lyon...

[23:05] <Jean-Pierre> j'imagine .. :)

[23:07] <Jacques> Je vais vous laisser maintenant...la semaine prochaine...je me connecterais depuis Madrid à l'heure j'espère.

[23:07] <Jean-Pierre> Merci d'etre passe JAcques:)v

[23:07] <Jean-Pierre> envoie moi ce qu'il faut pour ta minipage :)

[23:08] <Jacques> See you all and have a wonderful opening of the Olympiades in Salt Lake....

[23:08] <Jacques> as well as a good week!

[23:08] <Jean-Pierre> Good week Jacques!

[23:08] <sdrescher> Thanx and Bye Jacques!

[23:08] <Jean-Pierre> Good night!

[23:08] <Jacques> Good Night Bonne Soirée Guten Abend!

[23:08] <merantha> Bye Jacques!

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[23:10] <Jean-Pierre> merantha I am scaning the doc:)

[23:10] <Jean-Pierre> Jacques is happy to be with us it's very cool

[23:10] <Jean-Pierre> that he can come

[23:10] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[23:10] <sdrescher> yes it is

[23:10] <sdrescher> he seems very nice

[23:10] <Jean-Pierre> he is

[23:10] <Jean-Pierre> !

[23:11] <Jean-Pierre> I talked to him by phone he is really openminded

[23:11] <Jean-Pierre> man

[23:11] <Jean-Pierre> like all ppl on this chat!

[23:11] <Jean-Pierre> ;)

[23:13] <Jean-Pierre> merantha I am scanning the results

[23:13] <Jean-Pierre> for u

[23:14] <merantha> Thank you. Are sending it e-mail?

[23:17] <Jean-Pierre> yes

[23:18] <Jean-Pierre> I will send it by mail or upload in mini page :)

[23:19] <merantha> Suzanne, what kind of documentation is needed for DAR?

[23:20] <sdrescher> what do you mean??

[23:20] <Jean-Pierre> merantha think of ur address

[23:20] <Jean-Pierre> ok

[23:20] <sdrescher> each generation must be documented

[23:20] <Jean-Pierre> if u want me to send the book:)

[23:20] <Jean-Pierre> send it by e-mail

[23:20] <Jean-Pierre> I ll send it tomorrow

[23:21] <sdrescher> do u have a Patriot, Merantha?

[23:21] <merantha> JP, I definitely want the book. Please e-mail me the cost, postage, etc. and how I can pay you.

[23:22] <merantha> Suzanne, yes my Patriot is Jacob Bigler.

[23:22] <Jean-Pierre> merantha I am not a Bookshop!

[23:22] <Jean-Pierre> ;)

[23:22] <Jean-Pierre> lol

[23:22] <Jean-Pierre> If I find a

[23:22] <Jean-Pierre> book in american

[23:22] <sdrescher> ok, was the daughter who was admitted by him

[23:23] <Jean-Pierre> that interest me I ll say it to you:-)

[23:23] <sdrescher> direct line to u?

[23:23] <Jean-Pierre> the Biglmer of Hunspach?

[23:23] <Jean-Pierre> the Bigler of Hunspach?

[23:24] <sdrescher> any relatives that are DAR??

[23:24] <sdrescher> that u know of??

[23:25] <merantha> Jacob Bigler is the son of Marx Bigler of Hunspach.

[23:25] <merantha> Yes, Jacob is direct line to me.

[23:25] <merantha> I don't know if any daughter was admited by him. He has lots of descendants!!

[23:25] <sdrescher> no, I mean do u know who has joined

[23:26] <sdrescher> under his name?

[23:26] <merantha> I don't know who may have joined under his name that is direct line to me.

[23:27] <sdrescher> u can request application papers

[23:27] <sdrescher> copies

[23:27] <sdrescher> and see

[23:27] <merantha> I come through his son Mark, then his son Jacob G. and then his son Jacob G. Jr. and then my grandfather.

[23:27] <sdrescher> if u can tie into any of them

[23:27] <merantha> My mother is first female direct line from him.

[23:28] <Jean-Pierre> merantha could u check the price of the Passenger list CD?

[23:28] <merantha> JP, is that on familysearch.com?

[23:28] <sdrescher> 7 genearations

[23:28] <sdrescher> not many

[23:28] <Jean-Pierre> don't know where it is

[23:29] <merantha> Let me look!

[23:29] <sdrescher> family treemaker, jp

[23:29] <sdrescher> i think

[23:29] <Jean-Pierre> if we can have the CD it would be great

[23:29] <Jean-Pierre> ButI think it's very expensive

[23:30] <sdrescher> it's more than one

[23:30] <Jan> http://www.dar.org/cgi-bin/natsociety/prospective.cfm

[23:30] <sdrescher> u meanGermans to America??

[23:30] <sdrescher> thanx Jan

[23:30] <Jean-Pierre> suzan yes

[23:31] <sdrescher> yes it's more than 1 CD

[23:31] <Jean-Pierre> ok

[23:31] <Jean-Pierre> wher cabn I find the

[23:31] <Jean-Pierre> advertising?

[23:31] <Jean-Pierre> for this CD

[23:31] <sdrescher> i'll check for u

[23:32] <valorie> http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/gtoa.html

[23:36] <Jan> I'm off to bed. See you a next time

[23:36] <sdrescher> nie Jan

[23:36] <sdrescher> nite

[23:36] <merantha> Bye Jan

[23:36] [Jan SOUND]

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[23:37] <Jean-Pierre> bye Jan

[23:37] <Jean-Pierre> thanks va :)

[23:37] <Jean-Pierre> Val

[23:37] <Jean-Pierre> it's expansive wooww

[23:37] <valorie> :(

[23:37] <valorie> it's a HUGE series of books

[23:37] <Jean-Pierre> yep

[23:38] <sdrescher> how much JP?

[23:38] <valorie> I've consulted the volumes at the FHL in Salt Lake City

[23:39] <Jean-Pierre> 1850 1874 = 59 US $

[23:39] <Jean-Pierre> probably

[23:40] <Jean-Pierre> same in euro

[23:40] <Jean-Pierre> merantha the book by Claude Roll was 43 Euro

[23:40] <Jean-Pierre> I am looking for equivalent that u can send me:)

[23:41] <Jean-Pierre> Val I am not sure that I undrestand all

[23:41] <Jean-Pierre> in then price!

[23:41] <Jean-Pierre> there is a annual subscription too?

[23:42] <Jean-Pierre> of 79 US $

[23:42] <sdrescher> what about e-bay??

[23:42] <Jean-Pierre> what is it?

[23:42] <Jean-Pierre> suzan :)

[23:42] <sdrescher> possible

[23:42] <Jean-Pierre> i don't know

[23:43] <sdrescher> there's many genealogy items there

[23:43] <Jean-Pierre> i am not an american citizen :-)

[23:43] <Jean-Pierre> Could u check it for me?

[23:43] <sdrescher> doesn't always matter

[23:43] <Jean-Pierre> if you can find the both cd for 43 $ it's ok :)

[23:43] <sdrescher> some ship to Europe

[23:44] <valorie> it looks like the CDs are $60

[23:44] <valorie> the online access is $80 per year

[23:45] <valorie> online access gets you the equivalent of both CDs

[23:46] <valorie> and you can get that online access for a MONTH for $15

[23:46] <valorie> to check it out

[23:48] <merantha> Valorie, what site are you finding this on?

[23:49] <valorie> the cds are available from Genealogy.com

[23:49] <valorie> or at least the online access is

[23:49] <valorie> all from that URL above

[23:49] <valorie> http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/gtoa.html

[23:50] <valorie> since the last 10 volumes are still for sale

[23:50] <valorie> they aren't yet included in the CDs

[23:50] <valorie> I'm not sure about the online access

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[23:50] <valorie> if they are included in the online access, it would be a bargain

[23:50] <valorie> especially for a library

[23:51] <valorie> JP, you just have to talk your Paris library into getting online access

[23:51] <valorie> :-)

[23:52] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[23:52] <valorie> my local library has it

[23:52] <Jean-Pierre> really?

[23:52] <valorie> it's quite a bit of money for one person

[23:52] <valorie> but not much for a library

[23:52] <sdrescher> most do in the USA, JP

[23:52] <Jean-Pierre> my library don't have internet acces

[23:52] <sdrescher> Bill Gates donated

[23:52] <valorie> oh, that's too bad

[23:53] <Jean-Pierre> yep!

[23:53] <sdrescher> even Cambridge has it with 4 computers

[23:53] <Jean-Pierre> they just have a lil PC :( are

[23:53] <sdrescher> Gates wanted all school children to have access

[23:53] <Jean-Pierre> I have Adsl !

[23:53] <valorie> maybe they would buy the cds?

[23:54] <Jean-Pierre> and my library havent it :(

[23:54] <Jean-Pierre> valorie I don't think so

[23:54] <Jean-Pierre> I can propose

[23:54] <Jean-Pierre> it

[23:54] <Jean-Pierre> it's very strange

[23:54] <Jean-Pierre> for an organisation :)

[23:55] <Jean-Pierre> I will telle about

[23:55] <valorie> $120 is a lot cheaper than all those volumes!!!!

[23:55] <Jean-Pierre> it's a bit expansive for Alsace gen chat :-)

[23:55] <valorie> right

[23:55] <valorie> but not that expensive for a library

[23:56] <Jean-Pierre> yes but I can't go to the library and be here in same time:-)

[23:56] <Jean-Pierre> lol

[23:57] <Jean-Pierre> french humour

[23:57] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[23:57] <Jean-Pierre> only french can understand;)

[23:58] <Jean-Pierre> merantha :

[23:58] <Jean-Pierre> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jean-pierre.daeschler/alsachat/Merantha/boegler.JPG

[23:58] <Jean-Pierre> :-)

[23:58] <valorie> I wish I had the extra $120

[23:58] <valorie> I understand very well

[23:58] <sdrescher> merantha, i''ll e-mail u DAR membershsip info if u want

[23:59] <Jean-Pierre> valorie don't worry :)

[23:59] <Jean-Pierre> I ll tell it to the library probably they still have it!

[23:59] <Jean-Pierre> ;)

Session Close: Sat Feb 09 00:00:02 2002